ITT: we discuss straight edge in screamo

[brianutatx]

I certainly did say it's a way of stickin it to the man. Stickin it to the man doesn't have to be done finacially, it has more to do with going against the grain of the norm, even though the norm can't do anything to change your ways. When one chooses to do something that goes against what the majority of society perceives as normal it often bothers the portion of society that crosses paths with that person. Going against capitalism in a capitalitic system is only stickin it to the man because it goes against the norm within the society in a capitalistic system.

Also I challenge you to convince me how being sober is at home in capitalism. There is absolutely nothing bought or sold in the practice of sobriety, there is literally no profit in sobriety.

Also also someone mentioned something about sxe being a personal choice not for rebellion. I think like most things personal choices can be rebellious, one persons reasons for being can be different from another's.

[ifp]

sxe and veganism are both perfectly at home in capitalism.

this is a pretty dumb statement. being straight edge does not require the purchase of anything. drinking and smoking on the other hand, usually merits a transaction where money changes hands.

[plagueship]

ok, mormons don't buy anything to get fucked up with, therefore they are 'stickin it to the man'. at least as long as we've agreed that stickin it to the man means simply doing something unusual rather than sticking anything to any man in particular.

[ifp]

yes, i'm the moron schooling you on the basic tenants of capitalism.

[plagueship]

i know. i'm really feelin this sxe mormon communist utopia we live in now.
btw it's tenets, you and i are 'tenants' of capitalism.

[ifp]

sxe mormon utopia?

[gargamel]

another way in which being straightedge 'sticks it to the man' (hate that saying btw), is that it removes a huge barrier to being producive. So many punk and hardcore kids talk about hating this or that government policy or agricultural practice or phenomenon within the scene or what have you, but don't do anything about it due to the fact that their lives revolve around partying. I don't think anyone on here would question the positive implications and potential for 'man-sticking' in giving up something like television, but for some reason whenever giving up those lovely neuro-toxins comes into question, people view it quite differently. While that isn't a direct confrontation in and of itself, it's definitely a defiant action to say "fuck this I don't want to be pacified by this product that everyone else is so enamored by," and it also removes a very difficult obstacle that stands between people and action.

[brianutatx]

Youre really stretching here.

Mormons are weird as fuck, they obviously bother you in one way or another, and since you are probably a white Anglo saxon male that probably comes from a family who is protestant, then you sir are the man. Kudos on being the white majority, whereas Mormons are still viewed as a somewhat fringe group in American WASP culture.

Btw "stickin it to the man" has never typically been a phrase that meant you were "stickin it to a particular man" for example me winning a debate about sxe against you, a man, is not "stickin it to the man". "Stickin it to the man" has typically meant to go against an authoritative power, I think we can agree that mainstream society is an authoritative power.

[plagueship]

i'm not anglo-saxon or protestant nor is anyone in my family, where on earth did you get such an assumption and what does it have to do with anything?
lol @ 'man-sticking'
wormcan accomplished. dear heartattack...

[brianutatx]

Bum out, my assumptions were wrong. You're not a "WASP man" your some other type of "man". I'd be super surprised if you, a person who lives in Massachusetts, doesn't have a long line of protestant ancestors, but weirder crap has happened in the world so who knows.