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what an awful thread

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Brian kind of touched on this but plenty of people (Herbert Schiller for one, if I remember correctly) asserted that Soviet and Soviet bloc media served as a counter-hegemonic, uh, hegemony to American media. This is kind of debatable, but it's there.

I don't think it was a money issue at all. If you look at what was happening in these countries under communism, it was a systematic extermination of their cultural identities to be replaced by a Soviet-approved, communism-friendly "non-culture". Read up on Georg Lukacs in Hungary, for example.

I argue that this also happened internally in America over the 20th century as well. Exported American culture, and even American democracy*, is not really American culture, but rather what the state would want American culture to be. For example; the exaltation of urban consumerist populations and urban consumerist life, the victory of the city over the countryside, metropolitan-dominated geographical thinking, unmetaphysical cosmopolitanism, ect. It sounds kind of strange to think this, but globalization had to happen domestically before it could happen externally.

*We like to say we export individual rights and self-reliance and all that but the constitutions of the states we set up are just a fantasy of what the state would love to have domestically, and promotes absolutely no real concepts of liberty, individual self-reliance, and so on and so forth.

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Pete > You wrote:*We like to say we export individual rights and self-reliance and all that but the constitutions of the states we set up are just a fantasy of what the state would love to have domestically, and promotes absolutely no real concepts of liberty, individual self-reliance, and so on and so forth.
im not going to try and revive my drunk egypt thread, whatever happened with that, but it's a good example...

democracy is a decision-making apparatus. u.s. and its friends are shitting bricks over the "revolution" to the extent that it could mean democratic decision-making as a political system, due to the fact that the outcome would probably result in some combination of islamism and national protectionism. that is to say: what the u.s. is concerned with is not trying to export a political model (democracy) but an economic model (neoliberal capitalism, at this point in history). meanwhile, the military has taken over egypt and banned strikes, so as usual, the working class only continues to lose due to this "revolution" as much as due to what it was a revolt against.

anyway, what does this have to do with trendy hardcore boys?!

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