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dakota fanning wrote:i have another question regarding the OCD. i have a jazzmaster plugged to a boss me-50 with a distortion i've made up. but i've lowered the volume on the 'drive' and tunred up the 'tone', so it doesn't screech or make other typical distorted rock'n'roll-noises (that is, if i turned up the drive it would sound like the ramones or something else that has that typical ruffy sound). the distortion i've made is more like an alternative to my usual clean tone really, only sharper. but now, if i was to plug in an OCD with with my modified distortion on, would it make the distortion-channel to bring fort them fuzzy noises that i've buried with the 'drive-wheel' or would it just enhance the volume and give it some more edge?
(basically, i've turned down the fuzzyness the distortion normaly would produce, so if i would plug in the OCD, would it bring the fuzzy back and ruin the sound i've made?)
Your mileage may vary, but at a point, if you keep boosting the input signal it is going to start breaking up. I found that when I got one it replaced the other distortion I was running entirely, which was a keeley mod metal zone, it just had too much distortion on tap. It would be best, of course, if you had a local shop that you could try the pedal out in before pulling the trigger.

What kind of jazzmaster are you using? I play jazzmasters too.

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dakota fanning wrote:i have another question regarding the OCD. i have a jazzmaster plugged to a boss me-50 with a distortion i've made up. but i've lowered the volume on the 'drive' and tunred up the 'tone', so it doesn't screech or make other typical distorted rock'n'roll-noises (that is, if i turned up the drive it would sound like the ramones or something else that has that typical ruffy sound). the distortion i've made is more like an alternative to my usual clean tone really, only sharper. but now, if i was to plug in an OCD with with my modified distortion on, would it make the distortion-channel to bring fort them fuzzy noises that i've buried with the 'drive-wheel' or would it just enhance the volume and give it some more edge?
(basically, i've turned down the fuzzyness the distortion normaly would produce, so if i would plug in the OCD, would it bring the fuzzy back and ruin the sound i've made?)
Are you using a distortion from the me-50? which one? It sounds like all your doing is boosting the treble with the distortion pedal instead of boost the whole of the input or clipping the signal. A Cleanboost / Overdrive / Distortion and Fuzz in theory are kinda the same thing just different ways of getting there. A clean boost will boost your volume from your guitar to input section of your amp usually pushing the tubes harder therefore creating distortion. A Overdrive sometimes colors the sound alittle and can generally boost your input and adds a little clipping. a Distortion/Fuzz will generally clip your signal to sound distorted. This is a very broad explanation to whats going on with these pedals cause all pedals do different things. What amp you are using is extremely important and using one pedal on one amp will have extreme differences on a different kind of amp. I run a AC30 that has very little clean head room to the brink of breaking up. I then run a clean boost to push the natural overdrive from the amp. If I want full on noisy distortion then I run a Rat pedal in front.

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Romulus wrote:Your mileage may vary, but at a point, if you keep boosting the input signal it is going to start breaking up. I found that when I got one it replaced the other distortion I was running entirely, which was a keeley mod metal zone, it just had too much distortion on tap. It would be best, of course, if you had a local shop that you could try the pedal out in before pulling the trigger.

What kind of jazzmaster are you using? I play jazzmasters too.
okey, thanks for your info romulus! and yeah, i think it would be helpful if i could check it out in a shop before, its just that i live in this tiny town far away from anything, which is why i in the first place asked you guys. but i'll move to someplace bigger soon, and then i'll probably able to check out the OCD for myself.

im using a classic player jazzmaster, and you? : )
lemyisgod wrote:Are you using a distortion from the me-50? which one? It sounds like all your doing is boosting the treble with the distortion pedal instead of boost the whole of the input or clipping the signal. A Cleanboost / Overdrive / Distortion and Fuzz in theory are kinda the same thing just different ways of getting there. A clean boost will boost your volume from your guitar to input section of your amp usually pushing the tubes harder therefore creating distortion. A Overdrive sometimes colors the sound alittle and can generally boost your input and adds a little clipping. a Distortion/Fuzz will generally clip your signal to sound distorted. This is a very broad explanation to whats going on with these pedals cause all pedals do different things. What amp you are using is extremely important and using one pedal on one amp will have extreme differences on a different kind of amp. I run a AC30 that has very little clean head room to the brink of breaking up. I then run a clean boost to push the natural overdrive from the amp. If I want full on noisy distortion then I run a Rat pedal in front.
yes i am, the rat-distortion is the one that i've been using the most for this purpose.
sweet, thanks for the summary of the different sounds man. its great that you guys are willing to explain stuff to me, it really increases my understanding of the things im using and planing to use, hehe! i may come back to ask some other stuff, but till then i am very greatful for your answers! : )

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I'm also using a classic player, I don't like buying guitars that are more than $800 usd off the shelf. But I have also made some upgrades to it.

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i think v4 would be the best bet for you cause all you need is a good ocd pedal and you can easily get both tones you were describing. They are solid amps with amazing tone and they are loud as all hell.

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This was my collection a few years ago:

sovtek mig 100
peavey roadmaster
ampeg v4


I sold the sovtek and ampeg, but have kept the peavey. It's come to be my favorite amp. 160 watts all tube. I typically run a tube screamer in front of it to get heavier distortion, but without it I can still get a jcm800-ish sound, however less twangy.

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Ampeg v4 w/OCD combo is pretty unfuckwithable. Like I said it replaced my other distortions. What amp are you using Dakota?

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dakota fanning wrote:
yes i am, the rat-distortion is the one that i've been using the most for this purpose.
sweet, thanks for the summary of the different sounds man. its great that you guys are willing to explain stuff to me, it really increases my understanding of the things im using and planing to use, hehe! i may come back to ask some other stuff, but till then i am very greatful for your answers! : )
The Rat distortion the the ME-50 is the only usable distortion on the me-50 even though it sounds nothing like an actual rat. More like a Buzzsaw which I use to great effect. Knowing what amp you are using will be much more helpful in recommending a pedal. Im pretty sure Trei uses a old silverface Bandmaster for his main amp.

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Romulus wrote:I'm also using a classic player, I don't like buying guitars that are more than $800 usd off the shelf. But I have also made some upgrades to it.
Romulus wrote:Ampeg v4 w/OCD combo is pretty unfuckwithable. Like I said it replaced my other distortions. What amp are you using Dakota?


haha, i can't even buy a more expensive one cuz then i'd be broke. im using a 'roland cube-40xl' amp at the moment, bought it with the guitar.

resuscitaterecords wrote:i think v4 would be the best bet for you cause all you need is a good ocd pedal and you can easily get both tones you were describing. They are solid amps with amazing tone and they are loud as all hell.
yeah i think i ought to check one of them out, and loud is good!
lemyisgod wrote:The Rat distortion the the ME-50 is the only usable distortion on the me-50 even though it sounds nothing like an actual rat. More like a Buzzsaw which I use to great effect. Knowing what amp you are using will be much more helpful in recommending a pedal. Im pretty sure Trei uses a old silverface Bandmaster for his main amp.
yes i've come to understand over time that one pedal with one specific soundeffect is way better than a whole "box" of different ones. as i just said to romulus, im currently using a 'roland cube-40xl'' (don't really know on a scale how good it is compared to whats out there). i didn't think the amp effected the soundeffect that much as you guys are telling me, i thought it was more about how loud you wanted everything to be. like, bigger amp, louder sound etc...eheh, but it makes things a whole lot more interesting now when i know its not like that.

liking all the response on my question(s) by the way, really great read, and i feel i understand shit much bettah!

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In my opinion an amp makes the biggest difference. Instead of getting a new pedal I would invest that money in a better amp. You can make any guitar sound good with a good amp. Look for something in the Fender amps category to get Trei's sound something with Tubes not Solid State. Something like a Fender Pro Jr.

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