Punk/Emo band Hospice

[brianutatx]

link to said thread?

http://board.vivalavinyl.com/thread/view/10921/&p=468

Tyler I'm pretty certain this thread is gonna follow your band around for awhile. There were alot of funny things said in the thread. To answer your question about community, I'm pretty certain DIY music is still about community.I feel like your trying to strong arm your way into the DIY screamo/emo or what ever scene and tell everyone else that you're more knowledgeable about the music than the rest of everyone that have been involved in buying records, going to shows, being in bands, putting together DIY shows etc. in the DIY community for years now. I think you start bum people out when you tell everyone that Rites of Spring is Screamo, we either think you're joking or just don't know that much about the band, and when you keep up the hard stance that you know more than everyone else it doesn't help your case.

I was jamming some White Zombie and Pantera on the way down to San Antonio the other day in a van full of dudes that know way more about White Zombie and Pantera than I do, I enjoy that music and was rocking out just as hard as everyone but I didn't try to puff my chest out and try to sound like I knew a whole bunch about those bands. But yeah lets all just enjoy some music stop trying to classify everything and just acknowledge that people come from different backgrounds and perceive the world in very different ways.

I think this song will help bring the DIY community back together: http://youtu.be/aktLRiWXfqg

[kevin]

kind of wish i wasn't banned on vlv, want to see that thread

[Hospice]

I'm truly not trying to bring anyone down, just trying to share our music with people that love a lot of the same music we do. The rites of spring thing was a typo, i know that they are known as the first emo band. I'm sorry if i came off as if i was trying to be a know it all, i will openly say that i don't know nearly as much as most everyone on vlv but I'm willing to learn. I'm just trying to be sincere and saying sorry for the stupid shit i said. I was hoping i could take what i learned and leave it behind. I sounded dumb I know. I honestly didn't know there was a criteria for being part of that scene other than loving the music and being friendly to others in that community. So i tried to do so, i got flustered because i felt as if i was being attacked/made fun of for semantics versus the music. I have a ton of screamo and emo vinyl though, and am always down for supporting the bands i love by buying their merch. So again, i'm sorry. Neither my band nor i are trying to be involved in something we aren't welcome in, just trying to share our music.

[buckytoole]

what's a genre?

people get very protective of their subgenres... defining them as they define themselves.
history and inside knowledge means you can feel elite and exclusivity means you're cooler than n00bz
too bad for enthusiastic kids coming into a love of a sound, not knowing what to call it, and feeling intimidated to use words like "hardcore" wrong...
but it's not all supposed to be accessible, you want to keep the losers out of your club too... they like shitty music and don't know shit. fuck 'em.

i don't know what the fuck i'm listening to half the time. i know when i like it... bands that use labels like skram, emo, hardcore, punk, post-hardcore, or electrodancepop... whatever. a lot of shitty bands that at the same time use one or more of these labels can sound nothing like others? so i don't even know what i'm supposed to like. maybe they're using them "wrong" because they're dumb, that's why we invent new words, right? if not everyone is on board with your genre labels though, and broadly define things like screamo, how can i say i like that kind of music, when i think half of what often falls under a title is stupid?

and even, after all this time, i still can't quite figure it out.

[neck_cannon]

kind of wish i wasn't banned on vlv, want to see that thread

There are only like four people banned from VLV. Which one are you?

[kevin]

himynameiskevin

jeffrey was threatening to ban me over some dumb shit so i told him to suck a dick and to ban me, and he did

[Hospice]

what's a genre?

people get very protective of their subgenres... defining them as they define themselves.
history and inside knowledge means you can feel elite and exclusivity means you're cooler than n00bz
too bad for enthusiastic kids coming into a love of a sound, not knowing what to call it, and feeling intimidated to use words like "hardcore" wrong...
.

Thank you. We just want to play music and share it with everyone, we don't care who listens.

[brianutatx]

what's a genre?

people get very protective of their subgenres... defining them as they define themselves.
history and inside knowledge means you can feel elite and exclusivity means you're cooler than n00bz
too bad for enthusiastic kids coming into a love of a sound, not knowing what to call it, and feeling intimidated to use words like "hardcore" wrong...
.

Thank you. We just want to play music and share it with everyone, we don't care who listens.

You seemed very adamant about using the term post-screamo in the VLV thread. You certainly wouldn't back down from using that term, maybe a bit over protective of it. You also said that my band Chest Pain is a screamo band if my band mate wanted to call it that. Diluting a genre so far to the point that a band like Chest Pain can be called screamo seems to defeat the purpose of having genres at all. It seems unnecessary to label or classify any type of music when it becomes as subjective as you would like to make it, labeling music as being a part of a genre is only a tool that music fans use to help talk about music.

I can understand that to someone who doesn't really listen to hardcore or screamo or heavy music in general it might be easy to confuse my band Chest Pain as a screamo band. However it seems to me if some one were to go out of there way to create a new genre like post-screamo, they must have some knowledge of screamo first and would easily recognize that Chest Pain doesn't sound like most screamo bands. Genres aren't 100% subjective or I would be able call Korn and Buddy Holly screamo and I can call Portraits of Past hip hop. By doing this the whole point of language begins to break down because my terminology would be so very different than the normal accepted terminology.

I don't think it's necessarily about elitism when telling someone "Korn isn't a screamo band and heres why...", alot of times it has to do with trying to help people become better at expressing what a band sounds like. Rather than always stating what elements comprise a bands sound they can use a simple label that is somewhat agreed upon by those who are in the know. Obviously there are some bands that are a bit more vague than others. language can be something that people hold close to themselves because we use language to identify the world around us and to identify who we are, with out language to do this understanding the world and even yourself becomes a bit more difficult. Understanding vocabulary and classifications isn't necessary for us to live our lives, but it's alot easier to say "I like ice cream" than "I like frozen, creamy, dairy products with sugar in them".

[Hospice]

Dude why are you trying to turn this into more than it is? Why are you bringing back stuff that i've dropped. I get that i was wrong, so chill with your shit talking. I'm just a kid that plays music and nothing you say can change that, don't try to make me feel bad because i don't know as much as you or a lot of the other people on VLV. I'm learning. Call my band whatever you like i don't care but it won't change what we play or how we feel about the music, regardless of the genres we get classified as. I said i was sorry can't you just say, "Okay thanks dude, i'm glad you know you sounded like an idiot." Fuck, man. Like i said im just trying to share our music with people who have similar interest. And i don't know why i said chest pain was screamo, my bad. I don't know how to classify it would be the honest answer.

[Hospice]

Again i am sorry about the mix ups and i will choose my words more wisely in the future.