who plays *unusual* acoustic music?

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eh, i'm just a smartass, didn't mean any offense.

here's a more complete explanation, from http://cnx.org/content/m12459/latest/ - the gist is that there are more notes and the intervals are not of equal size, although they don't use more than 12 (or more likely probably 7) at a time. i'm not sure about your sort of chicken-and-egg question (although the info on this site may have some answers - i don't really know shit about it myself...), but i think it has a relation to the fact that classical indian music is totally aharmonic.

"Indian music does divide the octave into twelve swaras, corresponding to the Western chromatic scale. Also, just as only seven of the chromatic notes are available in a major or minor scale, only seven notes are available in each that. But because just intonation is used, these notes are tuned differently from Western scales. For example, in Western music, the interval between C and D is the same (one whole tone) as the interval between D and E. In Indian tuning, the interval between C and D is larger than the interval between D and E. Using the simpler ratios of the harmonic series, the frequency ratio of the larger interval is about 9/8 (1.125); the ratio of the smaller interval is 10/9 (1.111). (For comparison, an equal temperament whole tone is about 1.122.) Western music theory calls the larger interval a major whole tone and the smaller one a minor whole tone. Indian music theory uses the concept of a shruti, which is an interval smaller than the intervals normally found between notes, similar to the concept of cents in Western music. The major whole tone interval between C and D would be 4 shrutis; the minor whole tone between D and E would be 3 shrutis.

In some ragas, some notes may be flattened or sharpened by one shruti, in order to better suit the mood and effect of that raga. So, for tuning purposes, the octave is divided into 22 shrutis. This is only for tuning, however; for any given that or raga, only twelve specifically-tuned notes are available. The 22 shrutis each have a specific designation, and the intervals between them are not equal; the frequency ratios between adjacent shrutis ranges from about 1.01 to about 1.04."

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here's something: 9 out of 10 people would probably class this as "folk punk", a genre i generally despise, but i would describe it more as grungy blues where he screams, but also it's kind of emo? anyway i'm way into it...

Ragtail
http://www.mediafire.com/?z8l6m7vgrv90cpm

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plagueship wrote:eh, i'm just a smartass, didn't mean any offense.
all in good fun among asses :)
plagueship wrote: i'm not sure about your sort of chicken-and-egg question (although the info on this site may have some answers - i don't really know shit about it myself...), but i think it has a relation to the fact that classical indian music is totally aharmonic.
kind of a philosophical pondering really...

i enjoyed the post, interesting considerations when it comes to the real mathematical aspect of music theory. makes you think about how these tonal relations are considered... where we think of notes landing
even more pondersome if you believe that certain musical notes can evoke emotional states? (as in what "notes" or tones are a real C or whatever)
(i heard once that music in the key of b flat (or something, i THINK b flat?) makes you horny; what i meant by notes evoking emotions)
just something to think about? if anyone is interested in thinking or if i'm just rambling... sorry for the mini-hijack
plagueship wrote:here's something: 9 out of 10 people would probably class this as "folk punk", a genre i generally despise, but i would describe it more as grungy blues where he screams, but also it's kind of emo? anyway i'm way into it...

Ragtail
http://www.mediafire.com/?z8l6m7vgrv90cpm
definitely emotional. i get the bluesyness, some of it makes me feel like a trotting paces with some edge or something?
pretty cool.


i might be failing at this thread but...
some interesting instrumental music:

mouse on the keys
http://www.mediafire.com/?mjxzeomnmjm

sort of like jazz meets prog rock?
don't know much folksy stuff :(
hope it's fun anyway

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Abel wrote:
xmoonxhowlerx wrote:It is not Romanian, it is Serbian.
And from a same director, Emir Kusturica.

And Tristan Tzara members are croatian.

I'm from croatia.

SERBIAN SWINES.
members of tristan tzara are not croatian.
there was only one member who was born in bosnia, all the others were germans.

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plagueship wrote:here's something: 9 out of 10 people would probably class this as "folk punk", a genre i generally despise, but i would describe it more as grungy blues where he screams, but also it's kind of emo? anyway i'm way into it...

Ragtail
http://www.mediafire.com/?z8l6m7vgrv90cpm
woah i booked a show for this guy in my town. He's real good and an awesome dude. Worst show attendance ever though. Some shit heads decided to book two other shows on the same night (one of a 'big' local band's last show), so literally like 5 people showed up at our warehouse folk show. I ended up getting him and Sam Solo from intergalactic smugglers aa spot in between sets at the local metal show. Sam sang a little mermaid song while ripping on the accordion. made things better. anyway they're both from santa cruz

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also, perhaps beirut should be mentioned.

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plagueship wrote: but anyway then i realized that these were like the "spazzy" rhythms i used to use playing in screamo bands years ago and we thought we were so 'innovative' and 'experimental' and shit
What bands? A mediafire link sounds appealing.
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Phil wrote:
plagueship wrote: but anyway then i realized that these were like the "spazzy" rhythms i used to use playing in screamo bands years ago and we thought we were so 'innovative' and 'experimental' and shit
What bands? A mediafire link sounds appealing.
sadly none of the hc bands i was in ever got our shit together enough to transcend the stage of just getting together at someone's house to play riffs, scream, thrash around and generally piss off the neighbors/housemates/parents. o well, fun was had anyway

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Ah, too bad.
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