ITT: we discuss straight edge in screamo

[plagueship]

...dare i open this wormcan, but are you fucking serious about being sober or vegan "sticking it to the man"? how? what man? sxe and veganism are both perfectly at home in capitalism. veganism in particular becoming big business. and the mormons have been hardline edge for almost a century, and they ARE the man...

i think the main comparison is that they are both lifestyle trends (which i have no problem with per se) that people wear on their sleeve to act like they are "sticking it to the man" and "being conscious and rebellious and punk but still in some ways kind of like someone's grandma"

[buckytoole]

. i could post my whole journey into straight edge. it's actually interest and quite nasty at times.

go for it
viewforum.php?f=6

not erotically nasty lol i was a puke machine. one night i actually choked on my puke, almost died, and my friend gave me the heimlich and mouth to mouth haha

i stand by my original linkage.

no, seriously that actually sucks. i was puking last night! ...

...dare i open this wormcan, but are you fucking serious about being sober or vegan "sticking it to the man"? how? what man? sxe and veganism are both perfectly at home in capitalism. veganism in particular becoming big business. and the mormons have been hardline edge for almost a century, and they ARE the man...

i think the main comparison is that they are both lifestyle trends (which i have no problem with per se) that people wear on their sleeve to act like they are "sticking it to the man" and "being conscious and rebellious and punk but still in some ways kind of like someone's grandma"

pretty much eh....

[Andrew]

...dare i open this wormcan, but are you fucking serious about being sober or vegan "sticking it to the man"? how? what man? sxe and veganism are both perfectly at home in capitalism. veganism in particular becoming big business. and the mormons have been hardline edge for almost a century, and they ARE the man...

i think the main comparison is that they are both lifestyle trends (which i have no problem with per se) that people wear on their sleeve to act like they are "sticking it to the man" and "being conscious and rebellious and punk but still in some ways kind of like someone's grandma"

No one said being veganism is "sticking it to the man". I think you're taking the phrase too literally in reference to sxe too. It was a paraphrase reference to something Ian Mackaye said. Also not seeing why you reference them as being at home in capitalism demonstrating anything unless you feel the only form of protest is financial.

I don't think of sxe or veganism as sticking it to anyone, they're personal choices, but to answer your question; we are surrounded by cultural references that identify social acceptance by drinking, smoking, etc. They're in TV shows, commercials, magazine ads, etc. ie. "Real men love steak and beer". These types of concepts are fostered by companies who stand to profit from these practices. So if you need a "man" to "stick it to" (in a very passive way), there's one for you. But I doubt many people who are edge or veg think of themselves as revolutionary for being so.

Youth Of Today took the base idea Ian Mackaye wrote about in straightedge and developed the concept of straightedge as a movement within hardcore because they were tired of being made to feel like you couldn't be cool or accepted in punk rock without a beer in your hand. They simply wanted a way to have kids who didn't want to drink or take drugs feel like that was acceptable and they could still be a part of the hardcore community. Essentially it was an alternative to the strong peer pressure in hardcore in the 80's to drink or get high. It did not start out intending to be adversarial as it morphed into in some scenes.

[Pete > You]

No one said being veganism is "sticking it to the man". I think you're taking the phrase too literally in reference to sxe too. It was a paraphrase reference to something Ian Mackaye said. Also not seeing why you reference them as being at home in capitalism demonstrating anything unless you feel the only form of protest is financial.

I don't think of sxe or veganism as sticking it to anyone, they're personal choices, but to answer your question; we are surrounded by cultural references that identify social acceptance by drinking, smoking, etc. They're in TV shows, commercials, magazine ads, etc. ie. "Real men love steak and beer". These types of concepts are fostered by companies who stand to profit from these practices. So if you need a "man" to "stick it to" (in a very passive way), there's one for you. But I doubt many people who are edge or veg think of themselves as revolutionary for being so.

Youth Of Today took the base idea Ian Mackaye wrote about in straightedge and developed the concept of straightedge as a movement within hardcore because they were tired of being made to feel like you couldn't be cool or accepted in punk rock without a beer in your hand. They simply wanted a way to have kids who didn't want to drink or take drugs feel like that was acceptable and they could still be a part of the hardcore community. Essentially it was an alternative to the strong peer pressure in hardcore in the 80's to drink or get high. It did not start out intending to be adversarial as it morphed into in some scenes.

(GO BACK TO VLV.)

[Jakey LIAF]

hahahaha, there's this girl in my two of my classes that wears a focusedxminds crew all the time. she fits into the jock sxe thing really hard. we have a large jock edge community here. her and all her friends we're on the football team and we're cheerleaders then decided to listen to have heart last year and start bands. some of these kids are always talking about all the punk bands they know and how they're part of a strong edge community on their facebooks all the time. sad that the only girl around here that likes emo decides to date these guys.

it is so weird to me that football players listen to hardcore in some areas, because that was certainly not the case when i went to high school.

[plasticsmilerecords]

hahahaha, there's this girl in my two of my classes that wears a focusedxminds crew all the time. she fits into the jock sxe thing really hard. we have a large jock edge community here. her and all her friends we're on the football team and we're cheerleaders then decided to listen to have heart last year and start bands. some of these kids are always talking about all the punk bands they know and how they're part of a strong edge community on their facebooks all the time. sad that the only girl around here that likes emo decides to date these guys.

it is so weird to me that football players listen to hardcore in some areas, because that was certainly not the case when i went to high school.

word. the jocks listened to rap and country. they were huge into disturbed as well lol

[Gnarlin Gnartree]

In my experience, SXE hardcore kids are mostly christian, republicans who parents are too strict for them to get wasted. They play in church bands, 4-Year Strong style pop punk bands, and may be a football player.

[CitizenOfUlysses]

hahahaha, there's this girl in my two of my classes that wears a focusedxminds crew all the time. she fits into the jock sxe thing really hard. we have a large jock edge community here. her and all her friends we're on the football team and we're cheerleaders then decided to listen to have heart last year and start bands. some of these kids are always talking about all the punk bands they know and how they're part of a strong edge community on their facebooks all the time. sad that the only girl around here that likes emo decides to date these guys.

it is so weird to me that football players listen to hardcore in some areas, because that was certainly not the case when i went to high school.

Holy shit, this actually happens? I've never actually met a militant sxe jockbro who plays football. Maybe they just don't exist in my part of the midwest? I mean, I've met some football players or jocks who occasionally listen to emmure or winds of plague or suicide silence but that's the extent of their dalliance with anything heavier than disturbed or linkin park.

I guess most of the edgebros I've met are pretty lax about it, or at least aren't open assholes about it. l

On edge "sticking it to the man", I could maybe see it as such in that it subverts the popular perception of those involved in hardcore or punk? Also kids are rebelling against peer pressure to drink and smoke and shit and do what the "cool kids" (i.e. the popular kids and jocks and everybody who is not them) think is cool and are doing? I dunno, I never saw it as an rebellion really. Personal choice, yo.

[lrysbrng]

cool guys, you all have strong views for/against straight edge.

some of the points are really interesting and somethings i would have never thought when i was straight edge.
sxejockbroshardcorelovers? no fucking way... i dont believe it. all the straight edge kids in high school just liked underground rap and throwdown's haymaker album and called me a pussy for listening to "crybaby music" with no real values. i bet a jock would have a different opinion.

i smoke cigarettes and get drunk, but i just wanna jam out to some straight edge inspired screamo.

[plagueship]

brianutatx absolutely said being xvx was "sticking it to the man". read the thread before you tell me what someone did or didn't fucking say in it!

edit; also enjoyed the implication about antagonism with vlv. dk too much about that but this definitely feels like a weirder scene.