Why are you straight edge?

[JoshuatheNomad]

@Brianutax, I have to say that I am enjoying your well-thought out posts in this thread, though I have a question- you recommended reading Nietzsche due to its effect it had on your perspective of morality. While an interesting topic, I was of the understanding that Nietzsche claimed that we created value and placed it on to concepts of our own creation. In the end, this results in it all being meaningless. Drink and be merry, though merriness is meaningless, for tomorrow we die. Somewhat similar to existentialism, but it has to do a bit more with the idea that our creating value leads to what is ultimately nothingness.

Since you speak of how your life has been better drug-free, which I congratulate you on, I'm genuinely curious as to how reading Nietzsche's work has affected your views. It could be that I don't have a very sufficient understanding of his philosophy, or some other reason as to what's sparked my curiosity that I have yet to acknowledge. Either way, I'm intrigued.

[thisguyisalright]

That is what Nietszche's view on morality is, I'm pretty sure that's what Brian was talking about when referring to his views being changed. Either way, you should read Beyond Good And Evil. I don't know if that's the one Brian recommended (it probably is) but it's a pretty important philosophy text in general.

[CitizenOfUlysses]

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[brianutatx]

@Brianutax, I have to say that I am enjoying your well-thought out posts in this thread, though I have a question- you recommended reading Nietzsche due to its effect it had on your perspective of morality. While an interesting topic, I was of the understanding that Nietzsche claimed that we created value and placed it on to concepts of our own creation. In the end, this results in it all being meaningless. Drink and be merry, though merriness is meaningless, for tomorrow we die. Somewhat similar to existentialism, but it has to do a bit more with the idea that our creating value leads to what is ultimately nothingness.

Since you speak of how your life has been better drug-free, which I congratulate you on, I'm genuinely curious as to how reading Nietzsche's work has affected your views. It could be that I don't have a very sufficient understanding of his philosophy, or some other reason as to what's sparked my curiosity that I have yet to acknowledge. Either way, I'm intrigued.

I'm glad you like my posts. I do my best to be thoughtful and clear with what I'm saying, especially when it's something I genuinely care about.
I don't want to dig to deep into how some of my thoughts on morality have been shaped from reading Nietzche. I'll try to give a short summary. From my understanding morality is not a prescriptive philosophy, thus actions and their causal relations are constantly different with given different circumstances, to say that "using drugs is bad" is prescriptive however. An objective idea of good or bad doesn't really exist. I do feel good about not using drugs and it's a positive feeling for me.

This part is not based on what I've read from Nietzsche
On a moral level I can't decide on things 100% based on what makes me feel good though. I have to give weight to how much freedom is gained from my actions. If I feel free from my actions and it is an action which produces freedom for others then it is not oppressive action. Most individuals don't want to be oppressed and as a sympathetic human I want to try and maintain a lifestyle which produces as little oppression as possible.

but back on topic, I don't think I could ever go back to not doing drugs after trying acid multiple times

some other people in the thread were talking about how drugs and alcohol numb your feelings and prevent you from looking at your problems and really tackling them and stuff like that, but I think acid is just a different experience and isn't like those other things maybe. I honestly think it's one of the most positive drugs I've ever tried, and would totally recommend it to ppl

also went to see the hobbit midnight premiere while tripping hard, probably one of the best decisions of my life

I've done acid and a slew of other psychedelic drugs. It was cool and I had fun, but I honestly gave up using psychedelics 3 years before I gave up using drugs and alcohol entirely. I stopped using psychedelics because it was no longer fun for me, I always got sick and sat around feeling stupid, eventually the effects of psychedelics became predictable and didn't excite me to much anymore. The unexpected and unpredictable nature of the effects of psychedelics is what I liked the most about them.

Like you, I did trip real hard and go see Lord Of the Rings: The Two Towers and had a pretty cool time.

The drug I liked the most was cocaine, it made me feel like the coolest, best looking, most intelligent person in any room I walked into to, plus I loved the feeling uppers gave me. Also snorting stuff makes you look cool as hell. So if someone wanted to try only one substance and not try any other drugs or alcohol I would recommend cocaine.

[thisguyisalright]

I don't think I could ever go back to not doing drugs after trying acid multiple times

I definitely agree with everything you've said about it. I mean I do feel like I got everything I needed out of psychadelics and I don't do any of that anymore, but it was super helpful for me to take it with friends and just talk about shit. It honestly really helped me take an objective look at my past and deal with some lingering issues I didn't even know were affecting me.

[CitizenOfUlysses]

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[JoshuatheNomad]

@Brianutax, I have to say that I am enjoying your well-thought out posts in this thread, though I have a question- you recommended reading Nietzsche due to its effect it had on your perspective of morality. While an interesting topic, I was of the understanding that Nietzsche claimed that we created value and placed it on to concepts of our own creation. In the end, this results in it all being meaningless. Drink and be merry, though merriness is meaningless, for tomorrow we die. Somewhat similar to existentialism, but it has to do a bit more with the idea that our creating value leads to what is ultimately nothingness.

dude like read that paragraph/sentence one more time and tell me if it makes sense. bc it doesn't.

nietzsche thinks we try to escape nothingness/the abyss by creating value. not that creating value somehow creates nothingness?

p.s. twilight of the idols is his best work, on the genealogy of morality is what you want to read for his thoughts on morality and it also makes it all make a lot more sense/is pretty clear, and actually learn about the history of moral philosophy and maybe a bit on epistemology before getting into Nietzsche. you gotta know what he's critiquing before you can understand the critique properly.

but back on topic, I don't think I could ever go back to not doing drugs after trying acid multiple times

some other people in the thread were talking about how drugs and alcohol numb your feelings and prevent you from looking at your problems and really tackling them and stuff like that, but I think acid is just a different experience and isn't like those other things maybe. I honestly think it's one of the most positive drugs I've ever tried, and would totally recommend it to ppl

also went to see the hobbit midnight premiere while tripping hard, probably one of the best decisions of my life

While what you say regarding him is true, if I remember correctly, Nietzsche was also of the opinion that due to value coming out of nothingness, it only led to nothing, being a reason for his writings. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.

[Boejendel]

more people on the internet who complain about vegetarians and vegans being pretentious and annoying

I have to laugh whenever animal-eaters act like I have a superiority complex

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